About the Author
Macabre Grimoire is a podcast of paranormal and mystery exploration. Psychic/medium Ari Show, magician Travis Nye, and historian Robert Mehling delve into the dark places where mysteries go unsolved, events go unexplained, and the line between legend and fact becomes obscured. Whether you're a skeptic, believer or something in between, the Macabre Grimoire will change the way you see the world.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 25 Edward Bernays

“Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government.” – From Propaganda, by Edward Bernays, 1928

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 24 Tarot

In 1781, in France and England, followers of the occult discovered Tarot cards. They saw the symbolic pictures of the cards as having more meaning than the simple trump cards they were used for at the time.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 22 Hinterkaifeck Murders

In 1922, six people were killed at a remote German farmstead at Hinterkaifeck.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 21 Kelly Hopkinsville Encounter, The Goblin “Invasion” of 1955

In the mid-1950s two families in rural Kentucky made headlines across the country when they told police that their home had been approached by small metallic creatures that could not be killed or scared away.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 20 Soviet Bone Music

In post WWII Russia, Stalin banned the possession of any western music. All records allowed in the country had to be of Russian composers. But there was an underground hungry for Western popular music…

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 19 Helena Blavatsky

Helena Blavatsky is one of the most controversial figures we’ve covered so far.  She’s been called a witch, a profit, a medium, a hack, a sorceress, a fraud and everything in between.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 18 Live from SiouxperCon 2018 featuring Patrick Doyle from Ghost Mine

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 18 Live from SiouxperCon 2018 featuring Patrick Doyle from Ghost Mine
Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye
Produced by Robert Mehling and
Voice Over by Dave Holly
Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees

Patrick Doyle, author of the Edgar Font children’s book series, star of Ghost Mine and film actor.

Machine Transcript
[0:26] Macabre Mark chapter 18 I’m your host area so here is my co-host Robert Mehling and Travis Nye and episode about stopping goes in anything,
experiences really crazy experience myself personally that I can’t wait to share with all of you and that he wants me to interpret so I was a kid,
Recording this light at Super kind of different but see where this goes,
my ghost story actually starts at the first siouxpercon which was when I was back at the Ramkota Best Western and I was just starting out as a medium,
and on and I was sharing at 8,
when does Sioux Falls Zombie Walk table and the person who was my partner that day so obviously came around to ghosts and.

[1:46] My house is so hot as I was like,
tell me more cuz I’m just here and then
reach into the closet and there were my clothes were already swinging inside of a closet I was like,
major geek for ghosts.

[2:33] The very first
had just very very first started out so I was very new to all of this and so on,
we set the date and the date several months later and.
I was supposed to come over to her house and can I come by I was going through my recorder or was going to bring I really wanted to help service.
Scary movies.
This is true did is.
I did some research on how to prepare myself for a ghost hunt and what’s a kind of expect on all levels and one of the things was if it’s a negative energy they will do anything that they can.

[3:52] From going to the location and so with.

[4:03] 2nd Branch from UV driving to the location I was going to start to get physically sick your car breaks down on the way to the location you have,
live your dreams that kind of trying to scare you into not going to the location also there’s a chance of getting possessed while you’re on the location like I was so naive so.
I like to distance sessions so what I did this was on so I supposed to be there on Wednesday night,
so on Sunday night in session on her house and see what I can kind of human to know the only information I really had on her house was that her father had passed away so I made assumptions,
tune into her house and the first beer that comes through with this male Spear and I all I hear is leaving and I was like dude I’m just here to check things out,
who you are what’s going on you don’t no big deal.

[5:06] We’re going to get this party started out for you.
But he was just like.
Okay whatever but let’s listen I’m coming over I’m investigating you just tell me a little bit about yourself this is the recorded message,
basically I just visualize the device in my mind’s eye.

[5:45] You just like whatever but I’m not leaving download all this information about him and what is download is basically,
information at 1,
he had a son and daughter ever again.
His words were he fucked up a lot in his life and he doesn’t deserve to cross over,
please no one’s done so much bad in their life that they don’t deserve to cross over it and he was like you don’t understand I fucked up a lot I don’t deserve the crossover.
Okay that’s fine that’s that’s your Visa kind of deal with that I will see you on Wednesday and he was just like we’ll see about that and then that was kind of it,
you made an appoint,
sorry I just I ever wrote the story before you made an appointment with it so he’s just like this appointment so
starting me on work day.
So I get that so I get that information from him and the night before I’m supposed to go to my client’s house to do the cleansing.

[7:08] I have the most fucked-up dream that I have ever had,
that’s a good time standing Barefoot on a dirt road in front of the Cathedral Church here in town that’s going to
there is a demon standing over me leaving with rage and for whatever reason would not let me look at this
physically like even turn my head to like look at what this was so I did the only thing I knew what to do was to go into the church and get a rosary
and the way that the church used to be set up when I was growing up is that,
the basement of the church which are the basement entrance right off the main street there is a chapel and in the back row the chapel there’s like this little basket of rosaries,
the church I go to this basket of rosaries and they have multi colored rosaries in there.
Black or white black or white which is it and then cuz it matter if for whatever reason that meant something to me in my dream,
is like black for ground and or white for Purity and and cleansing so I and I just sent my standing,
and I couldn’t think of it I was like.

[8:27] Over and over again the end then finally the energy dissipated,
and then it was gone and then I wake up and I can still feel this entity standing over me Steven with Ray and I was just like look
I don’t care who you are or what you’re doing here but you will not intimidate me I’m coming to this person I’m coming to the house tomorrow and we will have a conversation and you are not paralyzed,

[9:07] So now I’m kind of like,
I still kind of think it’s her dad right so,
reporter with and I kind of do EVP session and as long as I know I’m not going to get any kind of like good audio my fuck you dude so then I go downstairs she shows her dad passed away,
feeling energy I was and I haven’t told her yet about the dream or any of this experience prior to me coming.
Grumpy old man type of man okay but your parents like her parents got divorced her mom got remarried and,
the skirted indicated to me that he was divorced.
And so was he with your mom at all and she’s like no pictures.

[10:13] Mom and dad still hanging out together post-divorce with her mom’s new husband.
Football games and picnics and party like they’re all BFFs and I’m like it makes no sense they don’t like Okay so.
Hi, but my dream.
Scared because they’re just like that intense and that’s bad and I’m like who do you guys think it is there go.
Maybe it’s Steve.

[10:50] At a point to an sitting on a shelf and I was like here’s where it gets even more crazy.
So Steve was an angry guy.
And this is a real person so we have to keep that in mind that this is this is this is a real situation he wasn’t very happy when he was alive and,
he wasn’t very happy in his marriage and so he went to go see his wife at work and his wife served with divorce papers and since Steve doesn’t deal with conflict very well he ended up shooting and killing his wife and then shooting and killing himself.
And those rashes with the house were in their house now.
So I was like oh well then so what ended up happening is that a friend of theirs this is their relative.
And they didn’t want to keep his ashes in their house because of what he did because it’s.

[12:06] Okay get it whatever sold them as friends decided that will keep them for you not I don’t think fully realizing what they were taking on because.
Counter depth when people are cremated I thought they hang out their energy the last stronger so.

[12:25] Anyways they had his ashes in the house or what are we doing this shit out of Steve,
I never said you’re going through something but you going through all of this is disrupting everybody’s life so you need to work with us on a different plane where you’re not disrupting everybody,
and then I never heard from them after that.
Everything’s okay and their house well my friend she also does the pr for the Zombie Walk So 6 months later.
I hear her on the radio talking about how she has a haunted house and how a friend came over and did some stage started like really excited that I,
that situation so that is my experience with ghosts.
Well I didn’t have my first one,
so before you continue those at the very beginning you said something about like goes to prison stuff like that you said something about like all the different feelings,
so I really like some of the weirdest things I’ve ever done I felt just like driving down the road,
I should be there something bad going to happen like I should not be driving right now and I get that alot and it freaks me out.

[13:55] Like it like stricken fear like you have never felt before and it’s just simply like going home the energy that.
Afternoon or evening that way into the environment around you and sometimes.
You are in the right frame of mind feel like when you get into an alpha stateland like you have different brain waves that your brain gets into you have you have beta which is wake you have Alpha which is a relaxed State the estate of which is sleeping,
which is where you are actually in a dream you’re dreaming,
the exact very very deep sleep and so usually when we’re driving we’re actually very relaxed and it’s when Brenda’s relax States like Alpha is when we can be very sensitive to things around us so when I do the work that I do I make sure I meditate,
before I go into any of my sessions to make sure that I am connecting with a higher vibration because things,
that we can’t see much higher rate than we do and so in order for me,
communicate with spirit I raise my vibration by getting into the alpha and so those feelings that you’re experiencing is probably cuz you’re relaxed enough to be perceptive casually Carolina.

[15:18] I’m home so I was going to drive,
what should we do today someone behind you know what there before I am.
So sure if you wouldn’t mind identifying yourself with a podcast of a boil and I’m probably best known from the Syfy show,
Ghost Mine which is on for a couple season,
thank you for coming,
how do I break a little bit from the story,

[16:25] Yeah no hands because this is a whole new audience,
why we do 30 go in just a little bit of like our background and why we’re in.

[16:43] I want to hear more about you so I wanted to start with you.

[16:50] No pressure.
Yes I would like just like how about everything is there with you like the whole show and tell,
I was just go to the Paranormal side then the number one question and one always likes to ask is like how did you get started in the carnal.
And for me it starts at age at 7 when I came face-to-face with a shadow figure will I now call Sam which stands for shadow of a man.
Thank you,
I mean 7 years old you don’t know anything about the coast it’s like you’re just learning how to tie your shoes so when people say I was 7 years old and I knew all this. No you didn’t you’re playing with toys,
so when I was 7 years old I didn’t know if I knew two things about ghost Scooby-Doo,
and Casper title,
it wasn’t as the last kiss I let myself in afternoon after school lockdown play video games at my parents email.
Coming from the basement which is next to the TV.

[18:13] Afterwhile the noise got a little louder so I went to the door thank you very much sir.
Peppered while I got up to see what the noise was open the door look down the stairs and there’s Sam staring up at me.
No facial features but I can sense that he was smiling.

[18:39] At that point instead of running away I took a step down the stairs and he was no longer smiling.

[18:46] So far about what felt like an eternity which is why I like 5 10 seconds he turned and walked in the basement I didn’t think of anything I just closed the door went back to my video game.

[18:56] First encounter.

[18:58] It didn’t come up in my life until later on when I started hearing other people wet stories.
Shadowland Rancho and that really got me into questioning everything but the girl.

[19:15] Cuz I like to say that there are no stupid questions in the Paranormal cuz we have no answer.

[19:21] And I come over some stupid questions. I have a Blog called what if.
Just crazy out there questions about,
What If ghosts are this what if goes for that what if there’s a ghost I’m seeing a person sitting in that chair right there but no one else is but I’m like user,
what are fewer a ghost to me but no one else has seen I start talking in that one’s going
walking down the street.
Is that was just those I love I’ve been burned and stuff like that by spirits but I’ve never been afraid of them.

[20:13] And I just continue messing up that’s why I continue my goal in the Paranormal field is to.

[20:20] Gay people ask deeper questions and on TV.
So I pass of weird questions not saying that the answer this question is going to give us the answer to everything paranoid stuff I’m asking the weird questions.
So they might spark something in your brain go okay that’s absurd.
How to make sense when you think about that and come up with the questions we will find any.
So are you looking for more I mean it so I like I see like there are some people who investigate paranormal occurrences are gold.
Perspective like if it can be replicated and I can prove it this the ghost but I have the mentality of ghosts are kind of like cats they do what they want when they want it or energy is right I believe that they are still there it’s just.
It’s just not used to want to do it today you know what I mean.
I use the term investigate because it’s common but I hate the term investigate and I hate the term hunting,
imagine do you want to be hunted and investigated as having a conversation like we’re having right now,
I’ve had a kid in my young kid in my paneling today and he was going on his first go son he was asked me all these questions I said.

[21:50] Don’t do anything cuz he’s out do I need to go last year and I have the I have this ghost at my phone I said delete that and just go in have fun have a conversation you already know that the,
we’re going to be dealing with this going to be a little girl.
Do some research figure out maybe when that girl died figure out what was the most popular music at that time where they’re moving movies by was most popular movie,
and don’t have that conversation like you were having fun.
The best evidence of paranormal I just have a voice recorder in my pocket somewhere,
and I’m talking to,
and I feel those are the most amazing.
Encounters I’ve ever experienced most parties involved or relaxed versus being in touch like yeah.
Paranormal dimensions and where you’re doing investigation guy and I see some people huddled in a little ball and asking stupid questions.

[23:06] Are you are you here with us what’s your name don’t stare your device.
I see so many people doing an investigation here they could be right here in front of them they’re sitting there going what’s your name,
yeah they have that,
Ghost Box app on the phone on the other hand and they’re wondering.
Then I order they haven’t seen a K2 meter to when they’re wondering why the K2 meter is going on,
limited equipment.
Voice recorder flashlight the other stuff I gave it to me but it’s.

[24:12] I made a joke wanted all I need is a Fisher-Price logo and is just a little bit,
that people there are people out there rip off the easiest or just a beginner so you got the amateurs with these outrageous priced,
there’s a voice record that shows up on a television show that’s worth 2 bucks and they’re selling it for a hundred hundred twenty bucks,
skip false readings but people are still paying a hundred bucks for this this phone right here right now.
But I always have a voice recorder rolling whenever I go to see.

[25:06] I’m not going there to investigate or I’m just going in there. I check it out early.
Screws or something happen another day.

[25:21] Well then I guess we’re going to level do energy if you wanted to continue the introduction or.
Probably just became a man thank you for that.
I got to pick on you a bit Yeah I deserve it I deserve it all,
so what I’ve been telling specifically why I started paranormal podcasts I have always been a huge fan of like.
When was it when I picked up my,
reading stuff like Chariots of the Gods and like who really built the Sphinx Egypt before the pyramids,
stuff like that I’m super into like lawsuit was Asians and aliens and just all sorts of like the fascinating like the knowledge and everything that’s on the periphery and I grew up in a family that was so that really helps dry.

[26:21] No I’m also like a Twilight Zone not and but I love like the real like I love I’m very shy project very skeptical,
real so hard because I really want to find that like piece of magic in the universe out there but I’m like,
and he’s a magician.

[26:48] Yeah I just want to find that like real piece magic but I don’t want to be fooled by something along the way so like I interrogate a lot of laughs at you.
So yeah and then I most like I kind of really got back into it recently done much with it for a while but then,
last podcast on the left really got me it was super kick with the the side with the like alien encounters and a paranormal like a history of the people that study the Paranormal which is like just as fascinating as the Paranormal sometimes,
so that’s great podcast super unserious but also like good research along the way,
so yeah I was just like I want to do something like that is like like Coast to Coast AM,
and so this was this is my attempted to that same kind of format and I’m really enjoying it so far I’m actually getting a brush off my history major,
besides as a like placemat for my programming.

[27:56] Yeah so obviously what magician I do exist,
what intrigues me is what you started out saying when the first time you seen Sam it was instead of turning and walking away you walk toward it.

[28:16] What kind of the approach I take with magic I’ve never to my knowledge I probably could have it was totally oblivious to it I don’t know.
However I love recreating those moments without being dead mice.
Start like reading that same thing cuz from you guys experience when people experience that type of thing it’s it can sometimes be pretty emotional.
Can you just like energizing like whoa what hap.

[28:49] That for me is exactly why I do what I do cuz I remember the first time that I seen a magic trick when I was a kid and I got to go up and help a magician at my Elementary School in that first feeling it had like.
What was that like that was my Sam that is what I was excited about Matt’s what I ran towards and then being able to recreate that motion that feeling.
I really can’t get anywhere else in Magic and pretty going to possible for Just A Moment Like that’s why I love what you doing what I do so I’m kind of playing that goes that Spectre whatever was feeling really don’t know where at.
Everything I do has an explanation I have no problem reviewing that to Idaho.
But I love doing this because I love hearing these types of stories that I’ve never heard.
And in my head one that gives me inspiration for possibly new theatrical piece or story to do but one as soon as I do these stories like how can I recreate that on stage live.

[29:44] That’s that’s why I’m a part of this cuz I love your aunt not to argue about it call it fate call it real anything like.
I I I love the mystery behind it and that’s that’s 100% why I do what I do and I love being part of this group here so.
Yeah that’s basically what I do in a nutshell.
Yeah for me I just really really into like the weird and like the crazy too creepy to,
true crime stories on paranormal most specifically I’m a psychic and a medium but I’m also I’m also skeptical of what I do so sometimes.
Whenever I have a situation and like I’m doing a reading I’m always very sometimes,
okay sometimes it feels like bullshit to me but it’s it rings true for them so but.

[30:34] Primarily like I have like those are states is like one of my favorite podcast and that’s on the Nerdist Network and I listen to that constantly and then,
grab ass like hey do you want to be part of a kernel of podcast and I’m like would it be unprofessional to say fuck yes,
like the response on messenger,
do it seems like spiritual people don’t have to be like all holier-than-thou people can swear cuz we’re human too so I was like alright,
that’s kind of why I got involved because I love this topic of BS all of it and then also what I like to do what I do.

[31:26] It’s going to be either prior to a show or wired well you’ve done this on your show is your show still currently why I don’t,
you’re not currently don’t know so what was,
the most impactful experience that you’ve ever had like a bunny.
Shopping in Bozeman that people saw in the air the show that I was on the phone like 2 seconds after,
watching episodes of on the Shelf that’s terrible I have to finish filming they sent us home.
Three months later we see it on TV,
why I’m watching it because of course it’s to camera Crews one tell me the miners one filming us.
Baylor site.

[32:30] You didn’t show that didn’t make the cut but it was so question the one that did air.
Partially air was in the dredge.
Season 2 don’t blend together in the machine that floats in the water.
Scoops the rocks from the from the water process is it inside and kicks out the bad stuff they don’t want out the back.
It was.
When working out the game room one working down in these giant massive gears and then another guy who’s just going to making sure everything is running smooth.

[33:15] How many people died in there so we’re doing investigation in what they called the break area where I knew a guy had a heart attack.
So do an EVP session me and Kristen it was my partner on the show so.

[33:35] I don’t think we have one camera One camera one sound guy and then the person is basically running the show making sure everything is running.
Element crystals got five of us on this honest one area do an EVP session really focus on the u p session.
Above us walking above.

[34:03] Well right here who was that again.
Pum pum pum pum pum even louder is it okay to go take care of this right now at the stairs and look down the hallway and double the size of this room here.
Look around the corner and there’s a guy standing at the end first appearance me so I do this but he stands there staring at me.
I just got to go is there anyone else on this right here there’s a guy up here, down to Chris and going,
are you here Chris and sag do you say you see someone I said.
You stand right in front of me and of course I was going up to like yell at somebody so I wasn’t carrying I wasn’t here to Cameron,
and so they can run upstairs soon as I say that it turns and goes into the wall.

[35:07] Story we came back another time I don’t know if it’s the next day or next week.
We went in there was a thermal Cam that same area sale okay I saw you there.

[35:23] How did your going we saw you there can you make yourself presence known after a while.
Figure shows up on the thermal cam right where it was even though the producer and the cameraman who are filming over me or just one,
your camera’s not on record.

[35:51] When the figure showed up the camera shut off so we can capture.
So how far is that from doing things like that with people who have no idea where literally just there is a camera crew or something like that like are they.

[36:10] It’s every once in a while ago.

[36:16] Ghost mine doesn’t like any other go show it looks like,
African movie.
So everything that he saw was blowing away,
if you listening cuz he’s here and everything.
It’s a little tough camera for the.
You can see mine everyone on TV The Adventures of shirt right there why mines yeah that was even my idea. I got called in to do it,
and by random chance it’s like that whole thing is it’s all about who you know that’s what this was.

[37:23] Syfy had bought the the show from a guy who came up with the show and the production company Syfy own the showhole like completely they bought it just off the premise goes in a mine.
Casting of the miners.
And they had that solidified but they couldn’t find any investigators willing to go into a mine because there’s so many issues can you survive in the wild for long.
Do you mind living in a cabin with no television no internet for 3 months,
do you want to go into a mine where sometimes you’re crawling through a 3-foot by 3-foot hole do you mind being 8000 foot up in elevation a mile deep under her underground for,
powered have time and can you investigate and they were having a hard they couldn’t find anybody,
they went through a whole list of people and I I think they talk to somebody that do we know anybody in my name just got floated out there.
Because I was kind of known as a Wilderness guy and I had a you a very popular YouTube channel at the time called Haunted hoax.

[38:39] So they threw my name out there sci-fi a sassy take with me.
I said okay we like his look at La for a meeting that’s where I met Kristen.

[38:52] And then we get some investigations and he said okay you guys are awesome come on the show.
I saw one episode of Ghost Mine and the episode I saw I like the location you guys had to get to you had to get to it by boat,
and it was,
what the hell is the only,
can’t break the fourth wall. Just me and Kristen the whole time.
I said okay here you go swap and then enjoy your time not like the show but it’s different it was one of them okay okay,
but you got one mind but there’s multiple tunnels.
And just kept going to cuz if the mine has been closed down for 80 some yours and that was a big mystery okay it’s like this if this mine is still producing gold.
Why would it be closed for 80 years so something must be going on that we start hearing stories of the Masons on dedeaux there’s Native American presents here.
May try to open it once but the miners got scared out where is this located Sumpter Oregon outside Baker City.

[40:21] Very small town hit no stop lights,
they used to have to stop signs but drunk driver from the saloon took down one of them I would like to hear a joke that you can lay down,
in the middle of Main Street,
and actually taken get a full night’s rest that I’m getting run over.
So then where are you originally from,
military family bud.
Answering questions.

[41:15] TV change your player.

[41:20] How did being on TV change the way that you approach investigate.

[41:29] Dunkin Donuts.

[41:32] Cuz I investigate on TV I’ve sea the way I do now the great thing about our production team is they let us be us.
And if we had any problems with them directing Us in any way we just tell him no.

[41:49] And they listen to us there are a couple of times swear they wanted me you certain devices I said no I don’t have them use those devices.

[41:57] So they are very cool with us doing that the only way that.
Investigation in the mine has changed my vest gate the way I miss game now was we had to rethink the way we investigate when we investigate a mine.
Because it had never been done before doing an investigation of working gold mine.
The lights there are no lights at the artificial lights play tricks with you when it’s bouncing off these wet rocks we saw so many false shadows and false movement happening just because the way the light down,
annoys it’s inside of a mind it’s amazing you be a mile deep in the earth and you get here diesel truck engine.
Nether portal cuz the sound just travels.
We were told that.

[42:54] Manhattan someone run back and say yes or no other truck running but there’s certain noises that you hear that made no sense.
Carrie pickaxes on Rock if they okay we don’t use pickaxes sing songs in the in the back of the Mind in the morning.
I’m confident you didn’t do this.
Producing you know content for TV show did you ever feel pressured to fabricate anything like pressured by the.
And the reason why is because.
Showing how people fake evidence,
bullshiter and I was very on YouTube,
fishing line and he’s hiding over here so I am perfectly and I show how it’s done.
Scified love that so when it came to your questions like they never asked and I never would because again I.

[44:17] I want the show to be true to the field.

[44:22] And it would have been to service to everybody and everyone watching if we are faking stuff that is just not right.
So so what would be like your percentage of like hit or miss of actually.
Finding something like how often did you actually just go out there not.
I used to get I use the word investigate.

[44:50] Don’t waste all the time and do you have nothing happen that’s why I love I signed on to the show because they said I said it was going to be like,
these popular shows location for 3 months I said that’s awesome because you don’t get evidence stuff all the time during one night or even two nights.
If you’re there for 3 months getting to know the place getting to know the energies in the spirit are there and then getting to know you.
You have a better chance I think you if you watch the show cuz is it linear.
A storytelling we do get more evidence of the show goes on but I believe that’s because we became a part of the place.

[45:31] And we were able to have very going back to communication just have a conversation we have had that dialogue going to the spirits.
Is there a special type of investigation like having,
a relationship with the Spurs are getting heading dreams or information come to you anytime,
cuz I mean you’re there you know I mean it cuz usually when I go into a place and if I’m there long enough like I feel them and I can like.
Can I get like dreams from like these dreams and stuff like that so I never bring anything home.
When I’m on the mound I totally open myself up and that’s when I tender the mine sometimes.
I would feel that connection.

[46:32] And I go in there alone a lot by myself no camera Crews or anything when the first things I did after the miners told me about Tommyknockers.

[46:43] There are spirits that you have to show respect to the time now cuz if you show her them respect they will keep you safe.
So I did a little research I said I saw that one of the ways to respected Tommyknockers was to make them on offering,
of whiskey so I went to the store bought a bottle of Jameson of course.
And just one night just went into deep in the line I just spoke to the spirits I said okay we’re going to be here this drinks just before season 2,
we’re going to be here for another 3 months please keep us safe Globe I just went to this whole Spiel that I brought this bottle for you,
just watch out for so I stuck it it it in the muck.
video Boos.

[47:50] It was just like my offerings,
daddy like from checking in on the present that give you a honey like a present.

[48:10] Cool cars.

[48:16] Is it all these questions I have that I just can’t like think about him.
Dive have some psychic abilities I never call myself,
no one would ever know about and I keep telling him some things.
Cuz you’re talking about driving when I first walked in and now you’re in a certain state.
A certain recent story so much hurt I was in Vancouver BC doing some work and I was just driving and I was coming up to a light.
The two rows I was going to take a right hand turn so the two rows next to me were pack of traffic this was my turn I was pretty clear.
Turns green but I search slow for snow really slow I stopped at the green light soon as I stop by a bicycle.
So if I kept going I would have hit that bicycle if I killed it and I just drove off and I was like.

[49:37] Driving you the hypnosis everyone goes to this when you’re driving me driving down the road and I’ll send you a quote.
Your brain base just took over for a while.

[49:52] So now that the show is over what are you doing now and what’s your plan going forward.
Nick Nolte and me.
I did.
Budget Television Jamaica Radio live television show so you can see me on the 101 Upon a Time iZombie Riverdale and a bit did a bunch of little movies and stuff like that and I replace the main characters.
And then doing a lot of writing and stories or books but I got them out there too so weird.
yep absolutely,
trying to go for something that you’re not comfortable with a zombie on iZombie.
The show Heroes he’s a bunch of stuff very cool.

[51:12] So do we want to wrap up with me telling you about the weird dreams I want to tell you about the weird dream your skill and I tell you what happened in the dream,
as I normally don’t have them like this clear and crisp,
it’s creeping me out even worse how I researched it afterwards from historical standpoint.

[51:37] So I’m in this like weird giant Gothic Cathedral I have never in my entire life,
is it usually at home or at school is where he’d for my dreams take place and Gothic Cathedral there’s a bunch of people like,
family members cousins distant relation stuff like that and stuff like that and everyone is coming up for communion,
except that in order to accept,
Eucharist instead of like a regular,
so I’m walking up I’m walking like with their Brett line of people doing this and what is this is the offering of Saint Bartholomew.

[52:42] And I woke up Bartholomew pool.

[52:47] Bartholomew or the fossil record mule like I’m stuck a donkey.
You’re a fine line here so I don’t know if this dude’s reels,
alright cool that’s where his story is going to blow your mind once we get to feel about church in general.

[53:18] And then how did you feel about the the environment that you were in my.
Is it like emotionally cold distant sterile like.
Who are the members in your family that were there.
A whole bunch of the the romneys were cousins that live in the small town where we live and like a bunch of mine.
Give me your family and stuff like that they’re all like scattered randomly throughout the the church so then how,
account what’s your relationship with these people that were at the church station of the host not being a host actually,
what type of.
It was just like a pretzel.
What’s the greatest snack in American history.

[54:45] Okay so.

[54:50] Indirect wrestling highlights.
Floor and for reference I have never heard of the same,
ever you like when he said that what was your what was your reaction like how did you feel about like.

[55:13] Okay cuz he basically like.
Turn to be dramatically like Guinness strapless when she’s like a turd in my dream.

[55:25] It’s like they always you like astromatic.
I think it would dump jumpy dreamer feel like.
The church or that the people or anything had anything to do with anything,
I think that that was a setup because it was something I needed there was something I feel like reaching out to you and wanting to get your attention to bring your attention to this to spend,
because I think that was the most significant thing because it needed to be normal enough,
for you to be like it’s church I’m with family because you would be going to church with family to be like any special occasion because you know,
whatever is reaching out he was saying okay we’re going to mix it up a bit and we’re going to do communion time which is a normal thing however,
it’s going to be different this Eucharist is going to be different,
to get your attention cuz this is this is what you always go through it’s the priest saying something to you and that’s when you wake me up.
As far as the person in the dream and like what they’re saying on the name.

[56:45] I feel like it was significant enough for them to give that to you because you had to research it and I think it was important that you knew about this so does that help,
it makes the dream much more disturbing.

[56:59] Is one of the 12 apostles he’s not talked about very much in the Bible but the most,
distinguishing thing about him is that he is always depicted in Renaissance art as Legend has it that he was murdered,
by being flayed alive,
that’s so in medieval paintings and sculptures at the Vatican holding a normal a carving knife,
with his face I have a problem.
You’re fine so crazy saying,
carries around his own light. Offspring pretty clear you don’t space.

[58:20] And to talk about this Apostle and I think that there’s more to it that you just haven’t uncovered yet like I feel like there is a but we maybe we need to do a podcast about this guy but there’s possibly something else.
What was his day I don’t know let’s go,
no but yes the Patriots,
the the biggest like distinguishing thing about us for as far as his Beast or festival or whatever,
like on this Greek island or wherever it is they carry around a sculpture of him,
The Village.

[59:30] August 24th what was the what was the last Monday of August.

[59:41] Oh I don’t remember you’re fine.

[59:51] August 27th.
Okay but it’s after the date so I’m super creepy.
I will stay in your car.
Reaching out to you and trying to get your attention and I can happen like things can reach out to you and just.

[1:00:19] What episode of the No Sleep podcast.
I don’t like asking this guy is going to be waiting for me in my car,
damn rolling your face carries the sins of your fam.

[1:00:44] Can you FaceTime me so horny,
are we about time or we were going to do anyway that’s awesome,
tables and stuff.
Ghost with special guest whatever with our special gas.

[1:01:36] I don’t know your name.

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 17 Lead Masks Case

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 17 Lead Masks Case

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees


“16:30 be at the agreed place.  18:30 swallow capsules, after effect, protect metals wait for mask sign.”

The Lead Masks of Vintém Hill – During August of 1966, the dead bodies of two men were found on a hillside in Brazil. Much of what was discovered at the scene would leave authorities baffled and has never been fully understood. What we are left with is a fifty-year-old mystery known as the lead masks of Vintém Hill.

The year was 1966.  Manoel Pereira da Cruz and Miguel José Viana were friends working as electronic engineers; television repairmen, really, in the town of Campos dos Goytacazes, located in the northern area of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.  It was on August 17th when they left the area, telling their families they needed to buy work supplies and hopped a bus heading southeast to Niterói, more than 3 hours and 160 miles away. On August 20th, 3 full days later, their bodies were discovered lying side by side on Vintém Hill by a young man named Jorge da Costa Alves who had been flying his kite at the time.  They were dressed identically in suits, each wearing trench coat style weather resistant jackets and, covering their eyes, lead masks designed to protect one from exposure to radiation.

Jorge hurried home and alerted the police.  Journalists, their curiosities piqued by the oddity, quickly arrived as well.  Though Pereira da Cruz and Viana’s bodies were partially covered by vegetation, there was no sign of a struggle.  They had no external injuries and the area seemed otherwise undisturbed.

Aside from the way, they were dressed, and the lead masks upon their faces, the police made note of a few other strange items as well.  Next to the bodies lay an empty bottle of water, a packet containing two towels, and a notebook with a bizarre and cryptic message scribbled inside.  Translations from Portuguese vary only slightly but remain perplexing because of the grammatical and spelling errors contained in the note. It read:  “16:30 estar no local determinado. 18:30 ingerir cápsulas, após efeito proteger metais aguardar sinal mascara.” Translated, this means: “16:30 be at the agreed place.  18:30 swallow capsules, after effect, protect metals wait for mask sign.” Though one can make some sense of the message, including the deduction that the bottle of water was used to swallow some strange capsule, it is just incomplete enough to provide one more stumbling block in the way of solving the mystery.  What was the effect they were waiting for? What was the mask sign? And why did they need protection from radiation, to begin with?


In the days that followed, good detective work was able to add a few more pieces to the puzzle.  The shop where they purchased the trench coats was located, and it was discovered as well that they purchased the bottle of water at a bar.  The waitress who served them made mention that Miguel Viana seemed nervous and frequently looked at his watch. Whatever Miguel and Manoel were doing, wherever they were going, one thing seemed certain:  time was of the essence.

Autopsies conducted in the days following the discovery of their bodies, however, did not lend any answers.  There simply was no cause that could be found as to why these men died. The capsules they swallowed may very well have had something to do with this, but we simply do not know.  It should be noted here that toxicological exams; quite normal, particularly in a situation like this, were never conducted. Why? It seems that the coroner’s office was so backed up that the victim’s organs were merely left to rot, more of less making the testing of them useless for traces of poison or other contaminants by the time the coroner got around to the job.

In the years since the tragedy, investigators have proposed several theories in an attempt to explain the events that transpired on Vintém Hill.  One was that the two men were lured to the location by an unknown third party and murdered. Proponents of this idea point to the note, claiming the spelling and grammatical errors were due to the words being dictated by someone else, possibly in an attempt to take advantage of these men’s gullibility in order to rob them.  Acceptance of this scenario requires several assumptions, however, it does seem to be true that the bodies of Pereira da Cruz and Viana were found without any money on their person.

Another contention is that the victims were wannabe time travelers and that they believed they had discovered a wormhole of sorts through which to travel.  Could the impermeable coats and lead masks have been protective gear meant to shield their bodies somehow? If so, why was it necessary to ingest the capsules?

Finally, the most popular belief is that Manoel and Miguel were UFO enthusiasts looking to make contact with extraterrestrial visitors.  This particular belief also has some evidence, albeit anecdotal, to back it up. The victims were both said to be very intrigued by the mysteries of flying saucers, researching them extensively and, it is said, had even built a small laboratory for that very purpose.  Vintém Hill had been something of a UFO hotspot, with strange hovering crafts being seen on a regular occurrence by the townsfolk. Even, some say, on the very day that Manoel Pereira da Cruz and Miguel José Viana made their final climb to the top.

Could this be the “mask sign” they were waiting for; the arrival of an alien spacecraft?  Were the lead masks (which, by the way, these two technicians cut and sculpted themselves in their workshop) designed to protect them from radiation emanating from the ship?  What, then, of the capsules? Or the two towels that were found alongside them? Could they have been using them, as Douglas Adams would write over a dozen years later in “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy,” to wave as a distress signal, or to use for warmth on their interstellar travels?

Whatever it was that happened on that hill, we can be reasonably certain of one thing:  it wasn’t suicide; eerie correlations to the Heaven’s Gate UFO cult mass suicide of 1997 notwithstanding.  The two men had obtained a coupon to return the bottle for a deposit back home, and even their story of needing to buy work supplies checked out:  investigators found newly purchased electrical components among their personal effects. It seems clear they were not expecting this journey to be their last.

Among the facts, anecdotes, and supposition, the simple truth is that we don’t know what happened that day in August 1966 on top of Vintém Hill, and we likely never will.  Author Jacques Vallee, who profiled this case in his book “Confrontations,” wrote that, even years later, grass refused to grow at the location where the bodies were discovered.  Though it seems reasonable to assume that the investigators who worked the scene sprinkled formalin around the area to aid in masking the smell of decomposition and that this likely contaminated the soil, many remain unconvinced.  They believe that something sinister, something perhaps even truly out of this world, was up there that day.


Do more reading and you’ll only see the case gets weirder. These people were into some strange stuff. The Italian Wikipedia article details reports of the same two young men setting up extremely bright, powerful, explosive fireworks. The lead masks must’ve been to shield their eyes from the bright flashes from the fireworks they used. Several days AFTER their death, a UFO sighting sounding vaguely similar to their fireworks was reported. The strangest but most obscure report, though, is that another lead mask death happened 4 years earlier. Flying Saucer Review magazine reported that a man named Hermes Luiz Feitosa was found dead in 1962 around the same exact area with the same exact type of lead mask positioned on his face. According to Wikipedia: “Investigations had revealed that the victim had gone to that place with the specific intent to experiment alleged psychic abilities that would have allowed him to pick up radio and television signals without the use of electronic means, but only through the power of mind”.

If all this is true, this seemed to be some kind of occult thing. If it was a ritual suicide, it might’ve been done with the intention of continuing to live outside of their physical bodies. Accidental death can easily be ruled out if the Hermes Luiz Feitosa case is true. It’s disappointing that there isn’t more information about these spiritualists. Many have suggested they were a part of a group of people attempting to contact aliens.


Lead Masks Case


Machine Transcript
[0:27] Everybody Welcome to McCall grimoire chapter 17 the.
Flip desk.
Oh my gosh I’m your host kind of today are you show here in Cohoes Robert mehling and.
And then the special gas covering for Travis Nye today is Dominic winicki.
This I have not heard of this case I but then,
I feel like I might have you know and I was reading through the nose and everything I was like like it gets weirder and weirder as a story goes on so,
yeah leave it to me to find a weird obscure shed and you know it I tried finding it in my Atlas obscura book and I couldn’t even find anything related to it so I’m like this is like a really deep dive down,
but they did say I’m last podcast on the left my weirdness coming pretty much so.
1630 be at the agreed Place 1830 swallow capsules aftereffect protect Metals wait for mask sign.

[1:52] This is from the note that was found of the two victims of where the center of the mysterious deaths that this case revolves around.

[2:01] Give me to go for it sure sure the LED mask event M Hill.
30 continue during August of 1966 the dead bodies of two men were found on a hillside in Brazil much of what was discovered at the scene would leave authorities baffled and has never been fully understood,
what we are left with is a 50-year old mystery known as the lead masks of Denton Hill.
The year was 1966 Manuel Parra Del Cruz and Miguel Jose Viana were friends working his electronics and Engineers television repairman really in the town of Campos,
Contessa’s located in the northern area of Rio De Janeiro Brazil.
It was on the 17th of August when they left the area telling their family they needed to buy work supplies and hop the bus heading Southeast to the Detroit more than 3 hours and 160 miles away.
On August 20th 3 full days later their bodies were discovered laying by laying side-by-side on ventum hill by young man named Jorge the Costa Alvarez
could have been flying his kite at that time I think that’s so cute she was fine a kite
they were dressed identically in suits each wearing trench coat style weather resistant jackets and covering their eyes LED masks designed to protect one from exposure to radiation.

[3:29] Jorge Jorge hurried home and alerted the police journalist their curiosity speak by the Oddity quickly arrived as well,
the parody Frozen viana’s bodies were partially covered by vegetation there was no sign of a struggle they had no external injuries and the area seemed otherwise
undisturbed aside from the way they were dressed in a LED mask the pain their faces the police made note of a few other strange items as well
next to the bodies lay an empty bottle of water
a packet containing two towels and a notebook with a bizarre and cryptic message scribbled inside translations from the Portuguese
only slightly but remain perplexing because of the grammatical and spelling errors contained in the note it read and I’m going to read this in Portuguese 1630 is starting to local determinado
1830 in Riviera capsulas SE toe protector Arsenal mascara
translated this mean 16:30 be at the agreed Place 1830 swallow capsules aftereffect protect Metals wait for mask sign.

[4:36] So one can make sense of the message including the deduction that the bottle of water was used to swallow some strange capsule it is just in complete enough to provide one more stumbling block in the way of solving the mystery
what was the effect they were waiting for what was the mask sign and why did they need protection from radiation to begin with.

[5:00] And the days that followed good detective work was able to add a few more pieces to the puzzle
the shop where they purchased the trench coats was located and it was discovered as well that they purchased the bottle of water at a bar the waitress who serve them made mention that Miguel Viana seemed nervous and frequently looked at his watch
whatever Miguel and Manuel were doing wherever they were going one thing seems certain time was of the essence could you imagine like two likes.
Shifty guys like you know is that,
I see the bottle of water was probably used to swallow capsules which they probably did that as well as the towels they found on them were they back and they were soaking wet.

[5:47] They were wet oh my God,
she’s okay this is this is interesting sex part does autopsies conducted in the days following the discovery of their bodies however did not lend any answers there simply was no cause that could be found as to why these men died,
the capsules I swallowed my very well have had something to do with this but we simply do not know
it should be noted hear that toxicological exams quite normal particularly in a situation like this were never conducted.
Why it seems like the coroner’s office was so backed up at the victim’s organs were merely left to right,
more of less making the testing of the museless for traces of poison or other contaminants by the time the coroner got around the job what a bunch of pooey.

[6:32] Well you figure if they waited a couple days though
ask her to say the sixties in Brazil they’re not like throwing around a lot of resource you know it’s not CSI Miami they’re not answering it back to the lab analysis body deteriorates pretty damn quickly so.
Right yeah all right,
I’m here since the tragedy investigators have proposed several theories in an attempt to explain the events that transpired on Denton Hill one was that the two men were lured to the location by an unknown third party and murdered
proponents of this idea point to the note claiming the spelling and grammatical errors are due to the words being dictated by someone else possibly in an attempt to take advantage of these men’s availability in order to Rob them
acceptance of the scenario requires several assumptions however it does seem to be true that the bodies of Pereira Delacruz and Viana were found without any money on their person
another contention is that the victims were widely Time Travelers and that they believe they had discovered a wormhole of sorts through which to travel to the impermeable coats and led masks have them have been protective gear meant to Shield their body somehow if so why was it necessary to adjust the capsules
maybe I don’t know what’s up.

[7:50] I did not know what the kids dancers like for choir holy shitload of like mental and logical hoops.
So they got robbed by someone doing the like most elaborate over the top sci-fi oriented Khan in the history of.

[8:23] Betsy finally the most popular belief is that Manuel and Miguel where UFO enthusiasts looking to make contact with extraterrestrial visitors this I believe this particular believe also has some evidence
albeit anecdotal to back it up the victims were both said to be very intrigued by the mysteries of flying saucers researching them extensively
and it is said have even build a small luvoratory for that very purpose
Benton Hill has been something of a UFO Hotspot with strange cover and crafts being seen on a regular occurrence by the townsfolk even some say on the very day that Manuel Pereira de Cruz and Miguel Jose Viana made their final climb to the top
could this mask could this be the mask sign they were waiting for the arrival of it
alien spacecraft where the lead with the LEDs mess which by the way these two technicians cut and sculpted themselves in their workshop designed to protect them from radiation M18 from the ship
what then of a capsules or the two towels that were found alongside them.

[9:22] They’ve been using them as Douglas Adams would write over a dozen years later in The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy to wave as a distress signal where he is for warmth and they’re Interstellar travels,
that’s interesting cuz of the towels are wet once you want to be like Snap them make a weapon
does whatever it was that happened on the hill that can be reasonably certain of one thing it wasn’t suicide Erie correlation to the Heaven’s Gate UFO cult mass suicide of 1997 notwithstanding,
the two men had obtained a coupon to return the bottle for deposit back home and even their story of needing to buy work supplies checked out
investigators on newly purchased electrical components among their personal effects it seems clear they were not expecting this journey to be their last.

[10:08] It’s really interesting that they.
I’m worried about the kind of discerning that basically like they had plans after this was to go down like I’m going to I want to get money for these bottles like I have yeah yeah yeah.

[10:23] Suicide you spend it on something.

[10:26] For Honor splurger something you wouldn’t be like well I’ll go by this electrical components I need for my job tomorrow
among the facts anecdote since the position the simple truth is that we don’t know what happened that day on August 1966 on top of them Tim Hill and we likely never will
Arthur Jackson Valley,
Cooper profile this case in his book confrontations wrote that even years later grass refuse to grow the location of the bodies were discovered so it seems reasonable to assume that the investigators who worked the scene sprinkled from
formalin around the area to Aid and masking the smell of decomposition and that this likely contaminated is soil soil,
many remain unconvinced they believe that something sinister perhaps even truly out of this world was up there that day formal is like a form of like what formaldehyde.

[11:18] Yeah yes, I kind of figured do more reading and you’ll only see the case gets weirder these people were into some strange stuff the Italian Wikipedia which I didn’t even know Italy
like I just want to Wikipedia was just like
a worldwide thing and just naturally translated but sorry I missed the article details reports of the same two young men sitting up
setting up extremely bright powerful explosive fireworks the LED mask must have been to Shield their eyes from the bright flashes from the fireworks that use several days after their death a UFO sighting sounding vaguely similar to their fireworks was reported.

[11:56] The strangest but most obscure report though is that another LED bass Depp happened 4 years earlier.

[12:05] Flying Saucer review make is he that’s so funny reported that a man named Herbies Luis Potosi was found dead in 1962 S40 okay
they’re on the exact same area with the exact same type of LED mask positioned on his face according to Wikipedia
investigations had revealed that the victim had gone to that place with specific intent to experiment alleged psychic abilities that would have allowed him to pick up radio and television signals without the use of electronic means but only through the power of the Mind.
If all this is true this seem to be some kind of a cult.
It was a ritual suicide it might have been done with the intention of continuing to live outside of their physical bodies,
accidental death can easily be rolled out of her Hermes Louis Vuitton suitcases true it’s disappointing that there isn’t more information about the spiritualists,
Manny has a definite they were a part of a group of people attempting to contact aliens.
There’s some people who and I don’t know if this is complete speculation I couldn’t find more sources to back it but there was one group I did link to the to the Reddit that was talking about this little bit.
What’s the idea that maybe they were with like the 14th movement.
And 40 answer so we’ll do like a whole episode about at some point give me a brief rundown.

[13:32] Imagine a religion that purposely exists to.

[13:39] White bass control the universe and to make people believe in weird things and.
A specific basically they do things for the laws like invent a language or.
You know will fake like an ancient Egyptian artifact if nothing else just a baffle people they are super fascinating and they like exist throughout history as a movement.
Yeah well like I said we could do a whole episode oh yeah I think it’s the one of the main like guys of it like the most.

[14:14] The most prominent piece of literature that explores it and like their movement to what they think about things which is hard to do say it’s hard to wrap your head around is like.

[14:24] You know understatement of the decade is called the illuminatus.
Are the Illuminati Trilogy if you look for those like through the first novel and I couldn’t get through the the other two cuz he was just so like it was wild like.
You know intelligent Dolphins helping the Illuminati attack Atlantis underwater with like.
Yeah it’s just like a conspiracy theory and just cranks it up this morning,
10 years from now Alex Jones comes out and just be like,
this was all an act and I can’t believe you bought it all good because I wanted to to stabilize the US government just because I can share you know.
Crystal like a 14.
Will like never admit they are a 14 definition is that they don’t it’s.
The perfect there like mission is to perplex you and that and that that’s how they see their like role in the,
it goes way back to like certain ancient Colts and stuff like that but it’s really hard to like pin down if it’s like one continuous thing throw up or what because even if it’s not true.

[15:45] If there’s lots more academics really smart and they’re smart enough to make it be like
feel legit and look legit sources and stuff like that there are out there that none of them have the need to have to service their ego.
Of BF coming out and saying I started this bullshit you know what I mean there’s so many people that want to get credit for things like that.
Yeah I mean we deal with all the time within the film industry that people want their credit they want their attention for like I thought that was my idea that was my thing and that nobody threw out
history of these think it’s more of a recent thing you know I mean I think years upon years ago people.
Did that way of you know getting credit was a lot less you know so I think they could do it and say they didn’t know he’s probably going to believe him anyway.
Yeah Bosley yeah I just.

[16:43] But yeah 40 games are like a we will need on Packer oh yeah yeah this isn’t even.
But yeah this is this is one that was early on on my list of things to cover the Paranormal podcast because.
This one really leaves me scratching my head I’m curious about the capsules that they took because I thought I read somewhere that somebody said it possibly could have been a psychedelic.
Traps that they were trying to take I believe that this guy for years earlier and thought well what was he.
Play into sub will try to.

[17:28] Yeah that’s so and I want to I mean there would have been more reports of people continuing to do this for up a 6 he’s at that specific location right I mean you would think that the.
It’s just interesting that it that it’s the same location or similar.
That’s a good that’s a good truck but that’s a good day.

[18:02] Distill still 3 hours away traveling 40 miles an hour,
they probably were in the sixties and yeah but I’m I’m going to,
my guess is going to lean on the side of underdeveloped.

[18:27] That’s yeah but I said that’s the thing though that I was surprised at that you left out of the beginning like I think should win in the beginning of the article.
Is the fact that they constructed the LED mask themselves like that’s the most fascinating part to me is the fact that they did this so clearly it wasn’t into intense like.
Like we have to make this mess like this their math Buddies the scrap metal that they tore the scrap LED that they took it from was sitting in there they’re shop bees.
During the time that they have left their house is that what that was that’s what I thought that’s okay that’s what I thought that they made it.

[19:10] Rates.
Where did they get these instruction maybe they were looking for aliens they got them from me they were beamed down to him or something.
Understanding of the Portuguese lines which maybe they were just really crazy.

[19:27] Well I mean aliens.
Saying these Doomsday Preppers up.

[19:43] We’re getting to like a level of coincidence coincidence coincidence the point that just came like aliens are becoming more plus.
But yeah it’s it’s a weird one and there is no.
No answer and they’re probably will never be a like definitive answer on what the heck happened to these guys
I hate that there’s no definitive answer I know but I want like some theories you know no I want a good theory.
It would be really more interesting if it had continued like every four years,
what’s a 2 and done because the guy in 62 and now these guys in 66 you think I 66 guys heard about 62 guy and they’re all like that sounds like a really good idea,
maybe we could do a better than him and I know shit this is a bad idea,
that’s all they had to travel back as basically spiritually because their energy their energy beings and they had to travel back so you basically get out of there meat suit.
Big on being some energy and they’re like soaring through the universe right now I like that.
What what movie is there’s a movie up there where the aliens are basically energetic beings.

[21:10] I know but like I remember watching the movie for kids and I remember that.
Finding out that the aliens are just being them energy really bummed me out there like all this work and build up till I get in till I finally like meet the aliens on this and it’s like this light being is like what the fuck this is dumb like why would it be a beating of light.

[21:35] No not contact.
It wasn’t explorers cuz he saw the Explorer you might be Miskin or little bit confusing Close Encounters of the Third.
No I saw that with you I don’t know that but I mean you see the ship open is mostly white true
it was like this this it was like just got scared into done with that part afterwards.
It was really good mashed potatoes the same way again.
Nobody was like they were there on a spaceship in there and they’re meeting the the aliens and it ends up being a being of light that’s almost like it was old windows like the Windows 98 like screensavers and like that like like bouncing around that kind of looks a lot like that
at least that’s how I interpreted it to be there was a good Disney Channel.
Movie or something maybe a Xenon I bet it was I would also Zenon movie.
Beyond oh my God girl of the 21st century I’m looking this up right now.
Girl of the 21st century here we go it starred Raven-Symone,
Holly fulger Stewart pancake Kirsten Storms Kirsten Storms.

[23:04] Kirsten Storms.
Got older strange how that happened Xenon alien alien scene.
Do not aliens feel like what it was is that there was this there was a moon ghost that like they were like
they didn’t know where the moon goes in the native it’s like her name is Luna like dumb name for Moon ghost but.

[23:38] But yeah when called me weird tentacle the alien thing.
It was like a hold of him like a Bama then thinking would like his alien of ends up being like a ghost.
Creature so a creature I don’t know.
Just that’s what that’s what made me think that it’s that you know what the energy beings and the aliens at this took a weird turn.
Tight at first I thought you were thinking the movie Lifeforce which was about space vampires but I don’t think I’m pretty sure you’ve never seen that.
That would be a pretty good assumption that I haven’t seen it but you guys said I’ll check out space for what was it.
The lead actress Mathilda May is naked throughout the entire film yeah why her character is naked throughout the entire movie,
do you see like what do you like boobs and butt or bad she’s not specifically directed by Toby to pair.

[24:44] 85 numbers are hard to.

[24:50] Yeah I’m kind of getting that I see about right there at the center one.

[24:56] Yeah she’s the whole movie she’s making poop Club it’s popo Club.

[25:06] What the hell it’s a really bizarre movie it’s kind of a.
Funny strapped to like some sort of like well it’s kind of they find these aliens on the ship image of it’s a movie poster for this life force film with naked women strap to what look like jet engine like,
Boeing jet engines flying out of a weird alien spacecraft.
Yeah it’s 1985 it was from the Canon film so you know they were little.
Weird things at that time there’s no naps on the poster.

[25:47] But yeah they find them in these like crystals and they bring them back.

[25:51] There’s like two naked dudes and a naked woman but of course you know the dudes are creature interesting.

[26:07] Okay that’s cool so yeah that looks wild the LED masks would not protect you from space vampires,
that much is abundantly clear from our research that we just yeah I don’t be hitting oh my gosh.
That’s so interesting I just yeah yeah that’s only thing I can think of is that they thought that they actually were aliens and they needed to get out of her meet suits.

[26:37] That would make the most sense Little Men In Black character.

[26:44] But what’s the line for the Galaxy is on Orion’s Belt. Yeah.

[26:50] That’s interesting so I guess I got nothing else in this weird dead bodies found in the 60s.
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Macabre Grimoire Chapter 16 Mine Ghosts and Spirits

Macabre Grimoire Chapter 16 Mine Ghosts and Spirits

Hosts Ari Show, Robert Mehling, and Travis Nye

Produced by Robert Mehling and

Voice Over by Dave Holly

Opening Theme Enhance Your Starry Night by Mouthful of Bees



The Knocker, Knacker, Bwca (Welsh), Bucca (Cornish) or Tommyknocker (US) is a mythical creature in Welsh, Cornish and Devon folklore. They are the equivalent of Irish leprechauns and English and Scottish brownies. The Cornish described these creatures as little people who were two feet tall, had big heads, long arms, wrinkled faces, and white whiskers. They wear tiny versions of standard miner’s garb and commit random mischief, such as stealing miners’ unattended tools and food.


In the 1820s, immigrant Welsh miners brought tales of the knockers and their theft of unwatched items and warning knocks to western Pennsylvania, when they gravitated there to work in the mines. Cornish miners, much sought after in the years following the gold and silver rushes, brought them to Colorado, Nevada, and California. When asked if they had relatives who would come to work the mines, the Cornish miners always said something along the lines of “Well, me cousin Jack over in Cornwall wouldst come, could ye pay ’is boat ride”, and so came to be called Cousin Jacks. The Cousin Jacks, as notorious for losing tools as they were for diving out of shafts just before they collapsed, attributed this to their diminutive friends and refused to enter new mines until assured by the management that the knockers were already on duty. Even non-Cornish miners, who worked deep in the earth where the noisy support timbers creaked and groaned, came to believe in the Tommyknockers. The American interpretation of knockers seemed to be more ghostly than elvish.

Belief in the knockers in America remained well into the 20th century. When one large mine closed in 1956 and the owners sealed the entrance, fourth, fifth, and sixth generation Cousin Jacks circulated a petition calling on the mine owners to set the knockers free so that they could move on to other mines. The owners complied. Belief in Nevada persisted amongst its miners as late as the 1930s.


Hungry Ghosts


If you visit the former mining town of Deadwood South Dakota and specifically the famous Boot Hill, one of the things I have always found striking is the number of mass chinese mine worker graves.


So far from home and family to venerate the ancestors, I have always wondered about mines and towns being haunted by those hungry spirits that would be left behind.


Hungry ghost is a concept in Chinese Buddhism and Chinese traditional religion representing beings who are driven by intense emotional needs in an animalistic way. The term 餓鬼 èguǐ, literally “hungry ghost”, is the Chinese translation of the term preta in Buddhism. “Hungry ghosts” play a role in Chinese Buddhism and Taoism as well as in Chinese folk religion. The term is not to be confused with the generic term for “ghost“, guǐ (i.e. the spirit of a deceased ancestor). The understanding is that all people become such a regular ghost when they die,[1] and would then slowly weaken and eventually die a second time.[2][3] Hungry ghosts, by contrast, are a much more exceptional case, and would only occur in very unfortunate circumstances, such as if a whole family were killed or when a family no longer venerated their ancestors.


We should definitely do our own episode just about the ghost festival that communities in China celebrate to feed these lost souls and then return them to hell.


But for now let’s look at some of the manifestations they take.


So the tapestries that depict these things are the most metal thing I’ve seen in quite some time.


There are many folk beliefs and taboos surrounding the Hungry Ghost Festival. Spirits are thought to be dangerous, and can take many forms, including snakes, moths, birds, foxes, wolves, and tigers. Some can even use the guise of a beautiful man or woman to seduce and possess. One story refers to a ghost which takes the form of a pretty girl and seduces a young man until a priest intervenes and sends the spirit back to hell. It is believed that possession can cause illness and/or mental disorders.


Shubin (ghost)

Shubin is the mythological spirit of the mines. The legend of Shubin is distributed mainly in the mining towns of Donbass, a disputed region claimed by Ukraine. In the north, one can hear several legends about the spirit of the mines. The spirit is usually good but can be wicked. There is no single point of view about the etymology of the word. Explanations include: (1) the nickname of a miner, whose soul, according to legend, walks in a fur coat at the bottom of the mine with a torch in his hand and burns the gas (firedamp); (2) the name of the cruel mining master Shubin, who slew workers underground; (3) the sound from methane (Shu-Shu), which often accumulates in the mines.


Bila Koroleva (White Queen). In the beliefs of some miners, the Shubin spirit appears as a female. Once, a miner from the Sverdlovsk region went missing. After a long search, he was finally found in the mine naked. He went mad and was taken to a mental hospital. Then some other miners went mad. All of them told about the “white queen”, a beautiful woman who tried to cheat them, but the miners could not bear her towering beauty and completely lost their reason. People have long mocked these stories and passed by the mental hospital where the miners were treated and said that it was the home of the white kings. Since the white queen has disappeared from the mine but no one can tell exactly when she would come again.


Rob’s Observations:

Mining was dangerous and still is.

Miners are superstitious.

Food and Mental Illness seem to be common threads in the legends across culture.